Why We Started This
Because somebody needed to say it out loud.
Between the two of us, we have decades of clinical experience sitting with people who are trying to make their relationships work. And over and over, we kept hearing the same thing: people were following advice that sounded right, that everyone around them repeated, that had been passed down like gospel — and it wasn't working.
Not because they weren't trying. Because the advice was incomplete. Or oversimplified. Or just wrong.
Somebody Lied When exists because the relationship conversations most people are having aren't honest enough. We're not here to lecture. We're here to think out loud — with clinical grounding, real-world context, and no tolerance for answers that sound good but don't actually help.
The Hosts
PhD, LMFT
Dr. Kipenzi Herron is a licensed marriage and family therapist, researcher, and educator whose work sits at the intersection of clinical practice, cultural context, and relational theory. She brings a depth of academic rigor to conversations that most people have only ever had casually — and she's not interested in easy answers.
LMFT
Shanelle D. Johnson is a licensed marriage and family therapist known for her direct, grounded approach to complex relationship dynamics. She has a gift for making clinical insight feel immediately recognizable — the kind of thing you hear and think, "I've felt that but never had the words for it."